The Misguided Approach of Gavin Newsom’s Podcast Experiment
Gavin Newsom, the Democratic governor of California, has taken a bold step into the world of podcasting with This Is Gavin Newsom, a show where he engages in lengthy conversations with right-wing figures like Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon. On the surface, this idea seems promising. At a time when political polarization is at an all-time high, breaking out of ideological bubbles and engaging in open dialogue could help bridge divides and foster understanding. Democrats, in particular, have been criticized for not effectively reaching audiences outside their base, and long-form, unstructured conversations could be a valuable tool for connecting with those who hold opposing views.
However, what could have been a groundbreaking experiment has turned out to be a misguided and potentially damaging endeavor. Newsom’s approach often prioritizes finding common ground over challenging right-wing misinformation or confronting the harmful rhetoric of his guests. By failing to call out his guests’ falsehoods and by conceding to their premises, Newsom risks undermining his own values and alienating his base. His συμπ Ik flora of good faith when engaging with figures like Bannon and Kirk, who have built their careers on divisive rhetoric and conspiracy theories, has left many questioning his strategy.
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One of the most glaring missteps in Newsom’s podcast is his tendency to avoid confrontation. When Steve Bannon, for instance, reference adolescente claims about the 2020 election being "stolen," Newsom responded with a hollow platitude about appreciating "the notion of agency." This kind of response not only legitimizes baseless claims but also fails to hold his guests accountable for spreading misinformation. Instead of showcasing intellectual confidence, Newsom’s approach comes off as submissive and weak.
Newsom’s decision to engage with figures like Kirk and Bannon stems from his observation that Democrats are losing ground with certain demographics, particularly young, alienated right-wing men who are drawn to podcasts and alternative media. While it’s true that Democrats could learn from the right’s success in building media infrastructure, Newsom’s strategy of flattering his guests and avoiding conflict is counterproductive. By failing to challenge their narratives, he not only cedes ground but also risks normalizing harmful ideas.
The Lesson Democrats Should Take
There is no denying that conservatives like Charlie Kirk have built significant influence through platforms like Turning Point USA and appearances on college campuses. Kirk’s rise to prominence, however, was not the organic, grassroots success he often claims it to be. He was heavily supported by wealthy donors and influential mentors, such as Tea Party activist Bill Montgomery and evangelical megadonor Foster Friess. This highlights a crucial lesson for Democrats: building a robust media ecosystem requires sustained investment in young talent and alternative platforms.
Unfortunately, Democrats have historically been inconsistent in this effort. Initiatives like Air America and ThinkProgress, which once nurtured progressive voices like Rachel Maddow, were allowed to fade away. By failing to sustain these efforts, Democrats have ceded ground to the right-wing media machine. Instead of courting figures like Kirk, Newsom could have used his platform to elevate progressive voices and build a counter-narrative to the right’s dominance in alternative media.
The Fallout Over Trans Rights
One of the most egregious examples of Newsom’s misjudgment came when he discussed the issue of trans women in sports with Charlie Kirk. Kirk has a history of using vile language to describe trans people, referring to them as “disgusting, mentally ill, neurotic, predatory freaks.” Despite this, Newsom chose to frame his conversation around areas of agreement, stating, “The issue of fairness is completely legit… We’ve got to own that.” While it’s important to acknowledge concerns about fairness in sports, Newsom’s failure to challenge Kirk’s hateful rhetoric or defend trans rights was a stunning oversight.
At a time when trans individuals are under relentless attack by Republican policymakers, Democrats need to couple their recognition of physical differences with a robust defense of trans rights. Newsom’s approach not only betrayed the values of his party but also sent a signal that he is more interested in seeking common ground with extremists than in standing up for marginalized communities.
The Cost of Newsom’s Approach
The backlash to Newsom’s podcast has been swift and vocal. Many Democrats, already desperate for leaders who will fight for their values, feel betrayed by his willingness to engage with figures like Kirk and Bannon without confronting their toxic ideologies. For example, Michael Green, a history professor who ended up on Turning Point USA’s McCarthyite “watch list” for criticizing Trump, expressed his disappointment, stating, “He just lost me. Completely.” Green is likely not alone in feeling this way.
By starting his podcast with such a conciliatory tone, Newsom has undermined his reputation as a fighter for progressive causes. The damage may be lasting, particularly as he considers a potential presidential run in 2028. Democrats need leaders who are willing to stand their ground, challenge misinformation, and unapologetically advocate for their values. Newsom’s podcast experiment, while well-intentioned, has shown that sometimes, the cost of seeking common ground can be too high to bear.
